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		<title>By: social cache: we deal in uncommon cents. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Authenticity and Authority on the Social Web</title>
		<link>http://www.social-cache.com/2008/06/on-social-media-blogs-and-advertising/comment-page-1#comment-12525</link>
		<dc:creator>social cache: we deal in uncommon cents. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Authenticity and Authority on the Social Web</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] posts and essays that are published on the Nemo blog and about one year ago wrote this one – ‘On Social Media, Blogs and Advertising’ in which I embrace nature over [...]</description>
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		<title>By: social cache: we deal in uncommon cents. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Coleman Claims to Invent Social Networking</title>
		<link>http://www.social-cache.com/2008/06/on-social-media-blogs-and-advertising/comment-page-1#comment-11808</link>
		<dc:creator>social cache: we deal in uncommon cents. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Coleman Claims to Invent Social Networking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 23:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Fits with my thoughts on how we can&#8217;t help but socialize. This could be a winning [...]</description>
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		<title>By: social cache: we deal in uncommon cents. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; David Byrne Embraces PR 2.0</title>
		<link>http://www.social-cache.com/2008/06/on-social-media-blogs-and-advertising/comment-page-1#comment-5391</link>
		<dc:creator>social cache: we deal in uncommon cents. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; David Byrne Embraces PR 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 2.0 campaign gain traction. I posted a slide show about PR 2.0 here, and also wrote an essay about Social Media, Blogs and Advertising which can be found here. Meanwhile I&#8217;m looking forward to spreading the word on the new Byrne and Eno album, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 2.0 campaign gain traction. I posted a slide show about PR 2.0 here, and also wrote an essay about Social Media, Blogs and Advertising which can be found here. Meanwhile I&#8217;m looking forward to spreading the word on the new Byrne and Eno album, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: social cache: we deal in uncommon cents. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Facebook Linkedin Twitter - Past Present and Future</title>
		<link>http://www.social-cache.com/2008/06/on-social-media-blogs-and-advertising/comment-page-1#comment-4705</link>
		<dc:creator>social cache: we deal in uncommon cents. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Facebook Linkedin Twitter - Past Present and Future</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] which then leads to a question - what are your goals when using social media? Remember, we have to put technology to one side, this is not about technology it is about doing something that comes very naturally to all human [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] which then leads to a question &#8211; what are your goals when using social media? Remember, we have to put technology to one side, this is not about technology it is about doing something that comes very naturally to all human [...]</p>
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		<title>By: social cache: we deal in uncommon cents. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Social Media or Industrial Media? Humans and Other Animals</title>
		<link>http://www.social-cache.com/2008/06/on-social-media-blogs-and-advertising/comment-page-1#comment-1667</link>
		<dc:creator>social cache: we deal in uncommon cents. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Social Media or Industrial Media? Humans and Other Animals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 06:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Here&#8217;s an extract from an essay of mine called &#8216;On Social Media, Blogs and Advertising: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: social cache: we deal in uncommon cents. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Why Does Corporate Social Networking Fail?</title>
		<link>http://www.social-cache.com/2008/06/on-social-media-blogs-and-advertising/comment-page-1#comment-421</link>
		<dc:creator>social cache: we deal in uncommon cents. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Why Does Corporate Social Networking Fail?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Here&#8217;s an extract from my essay &#8216;On Social Media, Blogs and Advertising.&#8217; - To understand and embrace social networking is to place the idea that says “technology makes this possible” to one side and embrace the idea of the basic human need to stay in touch with other like-minded people at all times. As Clay Shirky says “The desire to be part of a group that shares, cooperates, or acts in concert is a basic human instinct.” Read the rest of this post here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Here&#8217;s an extract from my essay &#8216;On Social Media, Blogs and Advertising.&#8217; &#8211; To understand and embrace social networking is to place the idea that says “technology makes this possible” to one side and embrace the idea of the basic human need to stay in touch with other like-minded people at all times. As Clay Shirky says “The desire to be part of a group that shares, cooperates, or acts in concert is a basic human instinct.” Read the rest of this post here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: social cache: we deal in uncommon cents. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; David Bowie&#8217;s 1972 Santa Monica Concert to be Released, Ziggy as Persona</title>
		<link>http://www.social-cache.com/2008/06/on-social-media-blogs-and-advertising/comment-page-1#comment-417</link>
		<dc:creator>social cache: we deal in uncommon cents. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; David Bowie&#8217;s 1972 Santa Monica Concert to be Released, Ziggy as Persona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] be able to &#8220;validate those incidents&#8221; amongst our hundreds of &#8220;friends.&#8221; I&#8217;ve argued before that especially for marketers, they don&#8217;t [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] be able to &#8220;validate those incidents&#8221; amongst our hundreds of &#8220;friends.&#8221; I&#8217;ve argued before that especially for marketers, they don&#8217;t [...]</p>
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		<title>By: social cache: we deal in uncommon cents. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; micro social networks, 1000 true fans, more thoughts on Social Media</title>
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		<dc:creator>social cache: we deal in uncommon cents. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; micro social networks, 1000 true fans, more thoughts on Social Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Related Post: On Social Media, Blogs and Advertising. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dave Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 21:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed it is a marathon Alain, and one without the route marked out!</description>
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		<title>By: friarminor</title>
		<link>http://www.social-cache.com/2008/06/on-social-media-blogs-and-advertising/comment-page-1#comment-341</link>
		<dc:creator>friarminor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may or may not really get what social media is about. And frankly, I find myself in a heap just wondering how it can translate to success and revenues.  I must say I&#039;m borked for a lack of a better term.

But therein lies the dilemma.  Social Media just provided a way to let &#039;unmeasurables&#039; expose themselves.  Maybe for some, it came out through writing in blogs or joining Facebook, still all of these is an individual expression that exposes itself without initial thought to criticism, perception and even ROI or what&#039;s in it for me.  

You got it right when you pointed out that it&#039;s about values.  And speaking of something valuable, the more time passes, the more you find that you&#039;d have given anything just to have them back (despite not being able to really describe it except the feeling that it evokes - like music).  

Bless you Dave for speaking to me.

Best.
alain
www.mor.ph

PS&gt; Just noticed that &#039;David Byrne plays a building&#039; post below.  Reminded me of the time he went to Manila (home) and wrote a long honest piece about it.  Another good read if you haven&#039;t heard about it.

I guess social media is not a sprint, it&#039;s a marathon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may or may not really get what social media is about. And frankly, I find myself in a heap just wondering how it can translate to success and revenues.  I must say I&#8217;m borked for a lack of a better term.</p>
<p>But therein lies the dilemma.  Social Media just provided a way to let &#8216;unmeasurables&#8217; expose themselves.  Maybe for some, it came out through writing in blogs or joining Facebook, still all of these is an individual expression that exposes itself without initial thought to criticism, perception and even ROI or what&#8217;s in it for me.  </p>
<p>You got it right when you pointed out that it&#8217;s about values.  And speaking of something valuable, the more time passes, the more you find that you&#8217;d have given anything just to have them back (despite not being able to really describe it except the feeling that it evokes &#8211; like music).  </p>
<p>Bless you Dave for speaking to me.</p>
<p>Best.<br />
alain<br />
<a href="http://www.mor.ph" rel="nofollow">http://www.mor.ph</a></p>
<p>PS&gt; Just noticed that &#8216;David Byrne plays a building&#8217; post below.  Reminded me of the time he went to Manila (home) and wrote a long honest piece about it.  Another good read if you haven&#8217;t heard about it.</p>
<p>I guess social media is not a sprint, it&#8217;s a marathon.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.social-cache.com/2008/06/on-social-media-blogs-and-advertising/comment-page-1#comment-254</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 05:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;networking white paper...&lt;/strong&gt;

I can&#039;t believe I missed this! I&#039;m going to have to do some more reading me thinks....</description>
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<p>I can&#8217;t believe I missed this! I&#8217;m going to have to do some more reading me thinks&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ziggy Stardust, 1972 Santa Monica Concert release &#124; pampelmoose Dave Allen of Gang of Four's Music and Media Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ziggy Stardust, 1972 Santa Monica Concert release &#124; pampelmoose Dave Allen of Gang of Four's Music and Media Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] be able to &#8220;validate those incidents&#8221; amongst our hundreds of &#8220;friends.&#8221; I&#8217;ve argued before that especially for marketers, they don&#8217;t [...]</description>
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		<title>By: neilperkin</title>
		<link>http://www.social-cache.com/2008/06/on-social-media-blogs-and-advertising/comment-page-1#comment-232</link>
		<dc:creator>neilperkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Need to digest this one more fully but thanks for referencing my presentation</description>
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		<title>By: On cities, hives and human clusters and a shriekback MP3 &#124; pampelmoose Dave Allen of Gang of Four's Music and Media Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.social-cache.com/2008/06/on-social-media-blogs-and-advertising/comment-page-1#comment-223</link>
		<dc:creator>On cities, hives and human clusters and a shriekback MP3 &#124; pampelmoose Dave Allen of Gang of Four's Music and Media Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 19:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] live and breathe. As I wrote in a post last week on Social Media, cities are no more artificial [technological] than the hives of bees. As we go about our daily [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Link Love: 6.19.08 &#124; Nubbytwiglet.com</title>
		<link>http://www.social-cache.com/2008/06/on-social-media-blogs-and-advertising/comment-page-1#comment-218</link>
		<dc:creator>Link Love: 6.19.08 &#124; Nubbytwiglet.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] On Social Media Blogs and Advertising is a brilliant article by fellow Nemo-ite Dave Allen about the validity and future of social [...]</description>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.social-cache.com/2008/06/on-social-media-blogs-and-advertising/comment-page-1#comment-215</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 23:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. I especially enjoyed the references. 

To stir the pot......

It seems the proliferation of Social Networking has distracted many marketers from an important truth.
The brand still has a responsibility to deliver an authentic and delightful experience of its own. After all, there has to be something meaningful for advocates to socialize about. 

If brands would focus on innovation and experience rather than messaging and positioning like say, Apple, then perhaps your consumers would socialize for you.

Also, a counter argument.... Social networks can&#039;t deliver the emotional experience at the retail point of sale where 2/3rds of products are sold. 

All things considered, social networks have their place, but aren&#039;t relevant for every brand. 
Cult and luxury brands, yes! 

The 75% of other brands we buy, no.

Any thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. I especially enjoyed the references. </p>
<p>To stir the pot&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>It seems the proliferation of Social Networking has distracted many marketers from an important truth.<br />
The brand still has a responsibility to deliver an authentic and delightful experience of its own. After all, there has to be something meaningful for advocates to socialize about. </p>
<p>If brands would focus on innovation and experience rather than messaging and positioning like say, Apple, then perhaps your consumers would socialize for you.</p>
<p>Also, a counter argument&#8230;. Social networks can&#8217;t deliver the emotional experience at the retail point of sale where 2/3rds of products are sold. </p>
<p>All things considered, social networks have their place, but aren&#8217;t relevant for every brand.<br />
Cult and luxury brands, yes! </p>
<p>The 75% of other brands we buy, no.</p>
<p>Any thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Allen on Social Marketing at FISTFULAYEN</title>
		<link>http://www.social-cache.com/2008/06/on-social-media-blogs-and-advertising/comment-page-1#comment-210</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Allen on Social Marketing at FISTFULAYEN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 22:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] member of Gang Of Four and current Director Insights and Digital Media at Nemo Design contributed a great stream of consciousness essay on social media, blogs, and advertising to Nemo&#8217;s corp blog, Social Cache. Its only crime is that it combines many ideas into one [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] member of Gang Of Four and current Director Insights and Digital Media at Nemo Design contributed a great stream of consciousness essay on social media, blogs, and advertising to Nemo&#8217;s corp blog, Social Cache. Its only crime is that it combines many ideas into one [...]</p>
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		<title>By: A Long Discussion on Social Media &#124; freelance-zone.com</title>
		<link>http://www.social-cache.com/2008/06/on-social-media-blogs-and-advertising/comment-page-1#comment-209</link>
		<dc:creator>A Long Discussion on Social Media &#124; freelance-zone.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 21:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Allen&#8217;s Pampelmoose blog hipped me to this long, interesting article on social media. Worthwhile [...]</description>
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		<title>By: dreww</title>
		<link>http://www.social-cache.com/2008/06/on-social-media-blogs-and-advertising/comment-page-1#comment-208</link>
		<dc:creator>dreww</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 11:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i just &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/06132008/profile2.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;saw this&lt;/a&gt; on pbs after i got home from the bar, and steve fraser expresses my feeling much better than i did:

&lt;i&gt;Consumer culture has become this sort of defining nature of culture, popular culture in America. It wasn&#039;t so much far from it during the first Gilded Age. And what consumer culture does is to privatize people.

It makes them focus on their own personal well being. And not just material well-being. Why shouldn&#039;t people be concerned with their material well being? But they see in acquisition of material goods a kind of self liberation, a kind of upward rise socially, and a kind of freedom. And to the degree that consumer culture captures your imagination, you lose a social imagination. You no longer see yourself as part of some kind of collective. &lt;/i&gt;

the intentional leveraging of word of mouth and the inclusion of the messages of marketers necessarily chips away at the community that exists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i just <a href="http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/06132008/profile2.html" rel="nofollow">saw this</a> on pbs after i got home from the bar, and steve fraser expresses my feeling much better than i did:</p>
<p><i>Consumer culture has become this sort of defining nature of culture, popular culture in America. It wasn&#8217;t so much far from it during the first Gilded Age. And what consumer culture does is to privatize people.</p>
<p>It makes them focus on their own personal well being. And not just material well-being. Why shouldn&#8217;t people be concerned with their material well being? But they see in acquisition of material goods a kind of self liberation, a kind of upward rise socially, and a kind of freedom. And to the degree that consumer culture captures your imagination, you lose a social imagination. You no longer see yourself as part of some kind of collective. </i></p>
<p>the intentional leveraging of word of mouth and the inclusion of the messages of marketers necessarily chips away at the community that exists.</p>
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		<title>By: dreww</title>
		<link>http://www.social-cache.com/2008/06/on-social-media-blogs-and-advertising/comment-page-1#comment-207</link>
		<dc:creator>dreww</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but that&#039;s the true dream of the marketers, the apotheosis of their function. to co-opt consumers so well that they are no longer necessary, their messages deftly insinuated into what were our private communications. 

i do agree that there will be an increased agency in the marketing process. by taking part, we can replace the freedom of expression with the freedom of structured brand collaborations &amp; individualized product placements. i keep thinking of the exercise yard in a prison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but that&#8217;s the true dream of the marketers, the apotheosis of their function. to co-opt consumers so well that they are no longer necessary, their messages deftly insinuated into what were our private communications. </p>
<p>i do agree that there will be an increased agency in the marketing process. by taking part, we can replace the freedom of expression with the freedom of structured brand collaborations &amp; individualized product placements. i keep thinking of the exercise yard in a prison.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Christopher</title>
		<link>http://www.social-cache.com/2008/06/on-social-media-blogs-and-advertising/comment-page-1#comment-206</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Nubby about the, ahem, length.</description>
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		<title>By: Nubby</title>
		<link>http://www.social-cache.com/2008/06/on-social-media-blogs-and-advertising/comment-page-1#comment-205</link>
		<dc:creator>Nubby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I don&#039;t think the article is too long to be read online at all. I appreciate it when people take the time to develop a story instead of the typical flash that&#039;s all too common.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t think the article is too long to be read online at all. I appreciate it when people take the time to develop a story instead of the typical flash that&#8217;s all too common.</p>
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		<title>By: tony:frosty</title>
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		<dc:creator>tony:frosty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Web 2.0 Organization Adoption Survey

http://www.webguild.org/2008/06/web-20-organization-adoption-survey.php</description>
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		<title>By: social media, blogs, music and advertising &#124; pampelmoose Dave Allen of Gang of Four's Music and Media Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>social media, blogs, music and advertising &#124; pampelmoose Dave Allen of Gang of Four's Music and Media Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] advertising in mind, I started a white paper and have just posted the first blush of those thoughts here. It dawned on me that the thread of information that I was weaving in the paper would be of interest [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] advertising in mind, I started a white paper and have just posted the first blush of those thoughts here. It dawned on me that the thread of information that I was weaving in the paper would be of interest [...]</p>
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		<title>By: On Social Media, Blogs and Advertising &#171;</title>
		<link>http://www.social-cache.com/2008/06/on-social-media-blogs-and-advertising/comment-page-1#comment-202</link>
		<dc:creator>On Social Media, Blogs and Advertising &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Roy Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roy Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right that the advertisers&#039; &quot;insight&quot; about Web 2.0 is backwards: We are naturally social beings, and the technology is just enabling that nature. The Cluetrain has finally come around. Markets really are conversations now.

&lt;i&gt;But&lt;/i&gt; as much as we need direct connections, we also need metaphorical distance. We crave the mediation of technology and brands. This is where advertising has to do its work -- not in the need for connections, but in the need for mediation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right that the advertisers&#8217; &#8220;insight&#8221; about Web 2.0 is backwards: We are naturally social beings, and the technology is just enabling that nature. The Cluetrain has finally come around. Markets really are conversations now.</p>
<p><i>But</i> as much as we need direct connections, we also need metaphorical distance. We crave the mediation of technology and brands. This is where advertising has to do its work &#8212; not in the need for connections, but in the need for mediation.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Kistner</title>
		<link>http://www.social-cache.com/2008/06/on-social-media-blogs-and-advertising/comment-page-1#comment-200</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Kistner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Dave! This is an impressive tome that every marketer and advertiser should read. You share a ton of great insights about how to approach modern communication, but it&#039;s Neil Perkin&#039;s slides that tell the story of why the marketing and advertising industries are the last to embrace social media. The idea of broadcasting to a faceless audience that has no choice but to consume your media died with the advent of social media. And Chris Anderson is correct that social networking isn&#039;t a destination, rather it&#039;s the internet fulfilling the promise it has offered since the days of USENET. The difference is that software and broadband have made it accessible to the masses. Now, those masses have a world of options available to them and can socialize with each other to provide word of mouth recommendations that circumvent the forced channels of yesteryear.

The truth is, advertising has a very limited role in the future. As we become a more connected world, there aren&#039;t millions of anonymous people to broadcast to anymore. Think about you and I. I have a relationship with you, so if I were to try to communicate with you in the form of an ad, you&#039;d feel put off. Your response would sound something like, &quot;Hey Justin, it&#039;s me man. It&#039;s Dave. Why are you talking to me as if you don&#039;t know me?&quot; Advertisers will have to shift to become either conversationalists or entertainers. Entertainment will still have a place in this world that can function similarly to advertising back in the day, except there is no media to buy. Media buying ad firms, which are the majority of them, are in real trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Dave! This is an impressive tome that every marketer and advertiser should read. You share a ton of great insights about how to approach modern communication, but it&#8217;s Neil Perkin&#8217;s slides that tell the story of why the marketing and advertising industries are the last to embrace social media. The idea of broadcasting to a faceless audience that has no choice but to consume your media died with the advent of social media. And Chris Anderson is correct that social networking isn&#8217;t a destination, rather it&#8217;s the internet fulfilling the promise it has offered since the days of USENET. The difference is that software and broadband have made it accessible to the masses. Now, those masses have a world of options available to them and can socialize with each other to provide word of mouth recommendations that circumvent the forced channels of yesteryear.</p>
<p>The truth is, advertising has a very limited role in the future. As we become a more connected world, there aren&#8217;t millions of anonymous people to broadcast to anymore. Think about you and I. I have a relationship with you, so if I were to try to communicate with you in the form of an ad, you&#8217;d feel put off. Your response would sound something like, &#8220;Hey Justin, it&#8217;s me man. It&#8217;s Dave. Why are you talking to me as if you don&#8217;t know me?&#8221; Advertisers will have to shift to become either conversationalists or entertainers. Entertainment will still have a place in this world that can function similarly to advertising back in the day, except there is no media to buy. Media buying ad firms, which are the majority of them, are in real trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.social-cache.com/2008/06/on-social-media-blogs-and-advertising/comment-page-1#comment-199</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: White Paper - awesome! Please let me know when available. Very interesting &amp; timely article...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: White Paper &#8211; awesome! Please let me know when available. Very interesting &amp; timely article&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Carri Bugbee</title>
		<link>http://www.social-cache.com/2008/06/on-social-media-blogs-and-advertising/comment-page-1#comment-196</link>
		<dc:creator>Carri Bugbee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 06:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a comprehensive treatise!  I&#039;m exploring these topics and ideas as well and you’ve done a great job of connecting the dots here.  I especially appreciate the facts and figures you’ve tracked down.  For the purposes of the white paper, it might be helpful to break it up a bit with subheads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a comprehensive treatise!  I&#8217;m exploring these topics and ideas as well and you’ve done a great job of connecting the dots here.  I especially appreciate the facts and figures you’ve tracked down.  For the purposes of the white paper, it might be helpful to break it up a bit with subheads.</p>
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		<title>By: Kahley Emerson</title>
		<link>http://www.social-cache.com/2008/06/on-social-media-blogs-and-advertising/comment-page-1#comment-195</link>
		<dc:creator>Kahley Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 05:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really great read. 

As a journalism student, while some of my peers and professors talk of the &#039;rocky&#039; terrain ahead of media professionals, this changing landscape makes me feel excited and empowered, not unsure or nervous to enter into the world of media</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really great read. </p>
<p>As a journalism student, while some of my peers and professors talk of the &#8216;rocky&#8217; terrain ahead of media professionals, this changing landscape makes me feel excited and empowered, not unsure or nervous to enter into the world of media</p>
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		<title>By: Kent Lewis</title>
		<link>http://www.social-cache.com/2008/06/on-social-media-blogs-and-advertising/comment-page-1#comment-194</link>
		<dc:creator>Kent Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 05:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You nailed it Dave.  Technology is an enabler, or the means, not the end.  I agree that social media platforms will become integrated into our lives and favorite sites and become less of a destination within themselves.  I&#039;m also curious to see how the big players in social media will evolve and provide meaningful engagement for brand advertisers.  For what it&#039;s worth, I&#039;ve written a few articles on the topic of social media marketing, monitoring and analysis in the Resources section of our Web site.  Looking forward to reading the entire white paper when it&#039;s ready.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You nailed it Dave.  Technology is an enabler, or the means, not the end.  I agree that social media platforms will become integrated into our lives and favorite sites and become less of a destination within themselves.  I&#8217;m also curious to see how the big players in social media will evolve and provide meaningful engagement for brand advertisers.  For what it&#8217;s worth, I&#8217;ve written a few articles on the topic of social media marketing, monitoring and analysis in the Resources section of our Web site.  Looking forward to reading the entire white paper when it&#8217;s ready.</p>
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		<title>By: tony:frosty</title>
		<link>http://www.social-cache.com/2008/06/on-social-media-blogs-and-advertising/comment-page-1#comment-193</link>
		<dc:creator>tony:frosty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 05:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is long, but it&#039;s a good read. I was part of the team that got blogs.sun.com out the door, and that had a profound impact.

I suppose what&#039;s missing from this is community development - the strategy of a company creating a community environment (blogs is only a part of that) and how they go about cultivating a sense of openness and trust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is long, but it&#8217;s a good read. I was part of the team that got blogs.sun.com out the door, and that had a profound impact.</p>
<p>I suppose what&#8217;s missing from this is community development &#8211; the strategy of a company creating a community environment (blogs is only a part of that) and how they go about cultivating a sense of openness and trust.</p>
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		<title>By: @milesl</title>
		<link>http://www.social-cache.com/2008/06/on-social-media-blogs-and-advertising/comment-page-1#comment-192</link>
		<dc:creator>@milesl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 05:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,
I&#039;ve read down to the first slide and get the impression that you&#039;re right on the money so far.  Will finish the rest in the AM, going out for some human to human social networking right now.  Great stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,<br />
I&#8217;ve read down to the first slide and get the impression that you&#8217;re right on the money so far.  Will finish the rest in the AM, going out for some human to human social networking right now.  Great stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Allen</title>
		<link>http://www.social-cache.com/2008/06/on-social-media-blogs-and-advertising/comment-page-1#comment-191</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 04:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jill,

yes it&#039;s long and you&#039;re right - it actually is the first part of a white paper I&#039;m writing. I wanted to get it up on here though as I think that the comments that come in will be useful in guiding my thinking through the rest of the paper. .pdf download later...

Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jill,</p>
<p>yes it&#8217;s long and you&#8217;re right &#8211; it actually is the first part of a white paper I&#8217;m writing. I wanted to get it up on here though as I think that the comments that come in will be useful in guiding my thinking through the rest of the paper. .pdf download later&#8230;</p>
<p>Dave</p>
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		<title>By: Jill Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.social-cache.com/2008/06/on-social-media-blogs-and-advertising/comment-page-1#comment-190</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 04:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>first of all, this article is way too long to be read online. This is a mini-white paper that needs a summary and a .pdf dowload.  beyond that, advertisers are clinging to old outmoded ways to advertise. The web is no longer a web site (the good ones) but a platform of tools for &quot;fans&quot; aka consumers to play with and make their own. Any semblance of archaic advertising creates a social ghost town network. Be confident in the brand. Create tools and platforms for your &quot;fans&quot; to inhabit. Let them create the experience.  Yes, there may be negative experience. Brands must show balls and let it be. It will all work out.  The Obama website is the perfect example. Learn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>first of all, this article is way too long to be read online. This is a mini-white paper that needs a summary and a .pdf dowload.  beyond that, advertisers are clinging to old outmoded ways to advertise. The web is no longer a web site (the good ones) but a platform of tools for &#8220;fans&#8221; aka consumers to play with and make their own. Any semblance of archaic advertising creates a social ghost town network. Be confident in the brand. Create tools and platforms for your &#8220;fans&#8221; to inhabit. Let them create the experience.  Yes, there may be negative experience. Brands must show balls and let it be. It will all work out.  The Obama website is the perfect example. Learn.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Allen</title>
		<link>http://www.social-cache.com/2008/06/on-social-media-blogs-and-advertising/comment-page-1#comment-189</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 04:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The deconstruction that you speak of also consigns the marketers to the same fate as the philosophers....as I wrote the members of these networks don&#039;t even exist from a marketing perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The deconstruction that you speak of also consigns the marketers to the same fate as the philosophers&#8230;.as I wrote the members of these networks don&#8217;t even exist from a marketing perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: dreww</title>
		<link>http://www.social-cache.com/2008/06/on-social-media-blogs-and-advertising/comment-page-1#comment-188</link>
		<dc:creator>dreww</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 04:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s nice that all of these new mediums deconstruct themselves as they begin to exist, obliterating their nascent authenticity for the sake of monetization. 

the navel gazing echo chamber has consigned philosophers to obsolescence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s nice that all of these new mediums deconstruct themselves as they begin to exist, obliterating their nascent authenticity for the sake of monetization. </p>
<p>the navel gazing echo chamber has consigned philosophers to obsolescence.</p>
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